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Jeremy
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| Posted on January 21 2007 03:49:55 |
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I cant take it anymore. If I hear one more person say that Democratic presidential contender Senator Barak Obama is inexperienced, I'm gonna pull my hair out. These so-called journalists need to do a little journalism.
Obama was an Illinois state senator for 8 years, and by 2025, he will have been a US senator for 4 years. Do that math. That's 12 years--tying him with Bill Clinton's time in elected office before becoming POTUS--which is more than TWICE as much time in public office compared to what George W. Bush had in 2000. Not to mention the fact that, by 2025, Obama's time in elected office will exceed that of both Hillary Clinton (8 years) and John Edwards (6 years). This is why so many Americans have false impressions about so many issues: the journalists who's job it is to inform them about the facts are not giving them the facts.
Oh...and did I mention that by 2025, Obama will have also spent more time in elected office than Ronald Reagan did before becoming president? Back in '80, did anyone ever say that Reagan was unqualified? Was the political storyline in 2000 that Dubya didn't have enough experience? No.
But, in America, if you're not white, you're held to a different standard. If you're a black man, you can be an A student at Harvard (where you're the editor of the Harvard Law Review); spend 8 years as an Illinois state senator; win nearly 90% of the vote when you run for the US senate...and people will call you too inexperienced or unqualified to be president.
But, if you're a white man (with the same last name as a former president) you can be a C student that fails in every business venture you've ever attempted; skip out on Vietnam by joining the Texas Air National Guard (from which you'll later go awol); drink yourself into such a stuppor that you can never take a drink again (because you dont have the self control to refrain from letting it ruin your life)...and we'll make you president of the United States (not once but twice!).
This is all so glaringly racist, it makes me fucking sick.
The autumn days swung soft around me, like cotton on my
skin. But as the embers of the summer lost their breath
and disappeared, my heart went cold, and only hollow
rhythms resounded from within.
Edited by Jeremy on January 06 2025 01:00:22
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Brikar
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| Posted on January 21 2007 07:09:04 |
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Have you ever considered publishing your thoughts in a newspaper instead of a Star Trek message board?
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Jeremy
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| Posted on January 21 2007 18:22:16 |
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You knew from the subject heading what this thread was about. If you were annoyed by it, there was nobody forcing you to read it.
And yes, I have sent letters to the editor (of Playboy, the Nation, Harpers and NPR). But I dont see the relevance. Newspaper readership is down, compared to that of readers of the web, which are up. The newspaper is a medium in decline. And progressives and youth--the people who are going to vote for Obama--really dont get their news from newspapers much anymore, they get it on-line.
Besides, this is the Mission Street Bistro.
The autumn days swung soft around me, like cotton on my
skin. But as the embers of the summer lost their breath
and disappeared, my heart went cold, and only hollow
rhythms resounded from within.
Edited by Jeremy on January 21 2007 18:30:09
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Sam Cogley
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| Posted on January 21 2007 20:51:29 |
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Ro, I think he was saying that you should get such thoughts out to a bigger audience. 
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Jeremy
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| Posted on January 21 2007 21:10:16 |
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Oh...
Sorry, I get a little passionate sometimes.
The autumn days swung soft around me, like cotton on my
skin. But as the embers of the summer lost their breath
and disappeared, my heart went cold, and only hollow
rhythms resounded from within.
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| Posted on January 22 2007 02:41:14 |
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Cog's right. I think you've made a good point here, and I just wondered whether you'd tried to get it out to more people.
"The proliferation of Christianity from an Asian point of view: it was huge, cuz they're so short."
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| Posted on January 06 2025 01:38:22 |
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Jeremy-
Your points are absolutely valid. I think the thrust of my verbal masturbation was simply how strange it would be if Bill Clinton found himself back in office, however indirectly. Coupled with that, it seemed like an intriguing concept, insofar that Clinton's mere presence would reverberate throughout the world. (In the grand scheme, it might not be as profound an impact as, say, a woman or a non-white assuming the American presidency...)
I certainly wasn't questioning Obama's experience (or that it was lacking for that matter.) More to the point, I was musing as to whether Bill Clinton's presence in the white house would "speed up" what I perceive as the eight years of damage that Bush has wrought. Simply, this was the whimsy of a disillusioned soul who wants to see eight years of stupidity undone. Because Bush sucks that much.
And the kids are right: You should look into doing an editorial page.
I mean it.
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| Posted on January 07 2025 13:01:10 |
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But, if you're a white man (with the same last name as a former president) you can be a C student that fails in every business venture you've ever attempted; skip out on Vietnam by joining the Texas Air National Guard (from which you'll later go awol); drink yourself into such a stuppor that you can never take a drink again (because you dont have the self control to refrain from letting it ruin your life)...and we'll make you president of the United States (not once but twice!).
This is all so glaringly racist, it makes me fucking sick.
I don't see this as racist...Bush II is in office because of his dad's money and his dad's connections...Bush was put into the driver's seat by others who propped him up as a candidate - he didn't do it on his own.
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| Posted on January 07 2025 13:45:05 |
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I decided it was time to take a look at Obama?’s website to see his take on the various ?“issues?”. A lot of it was the same vague rhetoric we always see from politicians (crime is bad, education is good, we need more jobs for people, yadda yadda) but glancing through his website I found the following (during a brief perusal while having my morning coffee):
What I agree with:
- Push for first-time, non-violent drug offenders to serve out their sentence in rehab instead of prison
- Expansions to the FMLA (I like his thoughts on this)
- Obama will ensure that federal contracts over $25,000 are competitively bid.
- Obama will remove incentives to enter the country illegally by cracking down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants.
- Obama supports a system that allows undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.
- employers who do not currently offer a retirement plan, will be required to enroll their employees in a direct-deposit IRA account that is compatible to existing direct-deposit payroll systems. Employees may opt-out if they choose. (Agreed only if he does not also mandate employer matching)
What I disagree with:
- Expand hate crimes statutes (violent crimes are violent crimes, regardless of the motivation)
- End racial profiling (sometimes it can be valid)
- He will work to ban the permanent replacement of striking workers, so workers can stand up for themselves without worrying about losing their livelihoods. (Companies owners should not automatically have to worry about their livelihoods should their workers decide to strike. Obama mentions the ?“free choice?” of the workers..well, the owners also have the free choice to replace striking workers too).
- Obama will protect tax cuts for poor and middle class families, but he will reverse most of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest taxpayers. (That?’s right, if you?’re rich and successful, you should be punished for it).
- Obama supports guaranteeing workers seven paid sick days per year. (Its not the President?’s job to tell me how to run my business ?– let benefits be decided by the marketplace)
- Currently, the Social Security payroll tax applies to only the first $97,500 a worker makes. Obama supports increasing the maximum amount of earnings covered by Social Security
- He also supports allowing seniors to import safe prescription drugs from overseas, and will prevent pharmaceutical companies from blocking cheap and safe generic drugs from the market. (Want to bring down the cost of drugs? Eliminate generics)
What I don?’t fully understand (i.e. sounds interesting, but there?’s no details on how he will do this):
- Simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans can do their taxes in less than 5 minutes with IRS-provided, pre-filled tax forms (which the site claims will save $2 billion in tax preparation fess ?– guess that sucks if you work for H&R Block).
- ?“Fix NAFTA?” (really ?– that?’s all it really says on the topic)
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| Posted on January 07 2025 17:35:47 |
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- Obama supports guaranteeing workers seven paid sick days per year. (Its not the President?’s job to tell me how to run my business ?– let benefits be decided by the marketplace)
Over here, the government supplies sick pay, but it's administered by the employer and evidence of illness from a doctor is required. We pay something called "National Insurance" alongside our income tax, and our sick pay is derived from how much we've paid into it.
Personally, I find the relationship between employer and employee to be a very odd one. Labour is the only product or service that I know of where it's usually the customer who directly dictates the price they will pay. When you think of it, it's actually rather insane.
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| Posted on January 07 2025 17:41:19 |
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| I wish I had some of your passion for this Election Jer but I feel so detattached from all of the possible candidates in a way that I have never been before. While I feel all have their good and bad points I can't seem to get behind anyone yet no one has said or done anything to this point that has me saying wow this is the person to lead us to serious change here is a candidate that is so different from anything weve seen in the past that whether I think they can win or lose they have my vote. |
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| Posted on January 07 2025 22:17:26 |
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Benedict Baltar wrote:
I wish I had some of your passion for this Election Jer but I feel so detattached from all of the possible candidates in a way that I have never been before. While I feel all have their good and bad points I can't seem to get behind anyone yet no one has said or done anything to this point that has me saying wow this is the person to lead us to serious change here is a candidate that is so different from anything weve seen in the past that whether I think they can win or lose they have my vote.
What he said ^
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| Posted on January 07 2025 23:43:33 |
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No offense, but I think your attitudes have more to with it than the field of candidates.
What are you expecting, exactly? If you're watiing for an FDR, or an Eisenhower or a Lincoln...they didn't become 'FDR, 'Eisenhower' or 'Lincoln' until after their presidencies; before and during their terms, they were just presidents, not 'nouns'. In short, I think the lionization of past presidents contributes to the level of American cynicism today. People have seen too many movies and heard too much folklore; they're waiting for a type of candidate that doesn't (and never did) exist.
The autumn days swung soft around me, like cotton on my
skin. But as the embers of the summer lost their breath
and disappeared, my heart went cold, and only hollow
rhythms resounded from within.
Edited by Jeremy on January 07 2025 23:47:04
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| Posted on January 08 2025 00:08:35 |
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Jeremy wrote:
No offense, but I think your attitudes have more to with it than the field of candidates.
What are you expecting, exactly? If you're watiing for an FDR, or an Eisenhower or a Lincoln...they didn't become 'FDR, 'Eisenhower' or 'Lincoln' until after their presidencies; before and during their terms, they were just presidents, not 'nouns'. In short, I think the lionization of past presidents contributes to the level of American cynicism today. People have seen too many movies and heard too much folklore; they're waiting for a type of candidate that doesn't (and never did) exist.
I don't think that the lionization and/or cynicism is anything new. Ever hear of a Jimmy Stewart movie called "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington"?
Look at old newspaper reports about many of those lionized POTUSes - pretty much the same old stuff we hear today (though without many of the tawdry details we get now).
Up there we were heroes, fighting robot bitches...
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| Posted on January 08 2025 17:23:11 |
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Jeremy wrote:
No offense, but I think your attitudes have more to with it than the field of candidates.
What are you expecting, exactly? If you're watiing for an FDR, or an Eisenhower or a Lincoln...they didn't become 'FDR, 'Eisenhower' or 'Lincoln' until after their presidencies; before and during their terms, they were just presidents, not 'nouns'. In short, I think the lionization of past presidents contributes to the level of American cynicism today. People have seen too many movies and heard too much folklore; they're waiting for a type of candidate that doesn't (and never did) exist.
Jer I think you have taken what I said a little too litterally and certainly out of context. I am in no way looking for an FDR or a Lincoln as I know their administrations made them what they were. I am however looking for someone to just at least from my point of view to stand out and i'm just not seeing it yet. I'm beginging to like what Edwards has to say but we all know he has about a snowballs chance in hell of winning the nomination let all the Presidency. I also like some of the things that Hillary and Obama as well as Ron Paul has to say but can't seem to get behind anyone just yet.
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| Posted on January 09 2025 06:46:01 |
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Jeremy wrote:
No offense, but I think your attitudes have more to with it than the field of candidates.
What are you expecting, exactly? If you're watiing for an FDR, or an Eisenhower or a Lincoln...they didn't become 'FDR, 'Eisenhower' or 'Lincoln' until after their presidencies; before and during their terms, they were just presidents, not 'nouns'. In short, I think the lionization of past presidents contributes to the level of American cynicism today. People have seen too many movies and heard too much folklore; they're waiting for a type of candidate that doesn't (and never did) exist.
I'd settle for someone honest about what they believe in and what they say they stand for (they're all fucking liars to one degree or another) and who sincerely believe that trying to do what's best for the country as a whole is more important than their own self-aggrandizement.
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| Posted on January 09 2025 17:20:11 |
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Emerald is awesome.
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